Jim McNeish and Kirsty Mac are both leadership coaches and decided to record some conversations, in the March and April of 2020, about what leadership could look like in the future and what is required of leaders now. Topics such as Meaning, passion, fear, emotions, pause, dialogue, conversation, shadow and relationship are discussed through the lens of what is currently happening on a global scale and what could make a difference moving forward. A raw, honest conversation with psychological insight and a wee bit of Scottish humour. Reaching high in the podcast charts (number 12 in iTunes) this has started a conversation about leadership that is exciting, raw, honest and emotional.